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- From: fuz@deltanet.com (Scott Ellsworth)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.newton.misc,comp.sys.amiga.applications
- Subject: Re: Users are selfish Was Re: crippled software
- Date: 8 Mar 1996 18:18:08 GMT
- Organization: Deltanet Communications, Inc.
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- In article <badger.826246592@phylo.life.uiuc.edu>,
- Jonathan Badger <badger@phylo.life.uiuc.edu> wrote:
- >
- >>>>>>> "Sanjay" == Sanjay S Vakil <sanj@athena.mit.edu> writes:
- >
- >>Sanjay> I don't understand why people feel that
- >>Sanjay> crippleware/timeoutware is such a crime. Sure, it's less
- >>Sanjay> ideal than 'true' shareware, but the market has expanded way
- >>Sanjay> beyond people you can 'trust' to send in shareware fees. For
- >>Sanjay> example, I'm *sure* that there are more than 24 people out
- >>Sanjay> there enjoying Mahjongg, but the registrations have pretty
- >>Sanjay> much halted. This is a powerful push towards crippling my
- >>Sanjay> next release.
- >>Sanjay> sanj
- >
- >The real question is *why* people insist on writing
- >shareware. Shareware is a blight upon humanity -- by definition,
-
- By definition? Nonsense. At least, I have not seen any such definition
- in any ANSI/ISO spec that I have ever read. Nor in any Unix
- documentation, Mac toolbox books, Windows documentation, etc.
-
- My own definition, unless other information changes it is that freeware
- is not free, merely something that someone else has funded the
- development of. Often, that someone is a federal agency or
- grant-supported university spending (conceptually) my tax and pledge dollars.
-
- >shareware authors are amateur programers who program for fun, and not
- >to put food on their table.
-
- Incorrect. Peter Lewis supports himself entirely on shareware. Several
- other people I know use shareware to pay for deveopment environments that
- they could not otherwise afford. Further, many of these people are pro
- class, but are rather careful about license agreements. (Work owns a
- copy of CodeWarrior, but I cannot use it for personal projects without
- the project becoming the property of my employer, and something whose
- development I have to justify against a budget even if I do it on my own
- time.)
-
- > Why not be a freeware programmer instead?
-
- Because then you get no return from your investment.
-
- >You have already discovered that shareware isn't very profitable -- at
- >least in writing freeware you get a warm fuzzy feeling of helping
- >society.
-
- That is a benefit, and one not to be sneered at. On the other hand, most
- of the people writing shareware are writing and distributing it this way
- in order to reduce the program cost and price. This way, they get a
- reasonable amount of return, and the custmer can insure that it actually
- works. This is a far better deal than most commercialware offers.
-
- > In the UNIX world shareware is basically non-existant and
- >freeware is plentiful -- gcc, emacs, TeX, the X Window System, hell,
- >even whole UNIX-compatible operating systems such as Linux and FreeBSD
- >are freeware. Why not write freeware yourself? Are you really saying
- >that your Mahjongg program was harder to write than emacs? If not, why
- >do you demand money for it while no money is required for emacs?
-
- Hmmm. Ever looked at just where the money came from to develop BSD Unix
- originally, or Emacs, or X, or a number of other useful packages
- available on Unix? Let me give you a hint - the US government, various
- tuition payments, and the endowments of certain major universities. (And
- other govenrmental bodies as well in other countries - I am merely only
- familiar with early BSD and Mach history.)
-
- One can argue that many of the students are working on these on
- thier own time, but many of those students are working on thier
- own time on 20k pieces of hardware. (Faculty and staff often get
- salaries or other grants that will partly defray development costs - I
- assume this is sufficient to count as support for development?) Further,
- most university unix machines are maintained by a paid staff.
-
- As I recall, various members of the FSF are working on thier own out of
- thier personal fortunes, while others are working from aformentioned
- grants and subsidies. Makes it hard to tell just who is funding what
- nowadays.
-
- I did not include Linux in the above list, as I had heard rumors that the
- original author did it entirely on his own time on persoanl equipment, so
- there is one tremendous counter example to the principle that freeware is
- rarely free. I have not been able to confirm this.
-
- Even many of these freeware packages that are now done purely out of fun
- by people on personal equipment have a legacy of earlier development which
- was quite well funded. As the designs and code matures, the early
- funding will matter less, but until it is at the level of an antirely new
- design and implementation, it is not "free", merely not paid for by the
- users.
-
- Thus, sneering at shareware authors for asking to be paid is often rather
- disingenuous. I rarely acquire shareware now, as I have found
- commercialware usually has better support, but there are some amazing
- exceptions. Hardy Macia has produced shareware that beats commercial
- products in similar markets, so I own one of his packages, and am
- considering a couple of others. Ben Gottlieb has written some things
- that may turn out to be useful in the next few months, and I will see
- what he has then. Borland, on the other hand, asks you to pay rather
- dearly for the privledge of reporting the bugs in ther C++ compilers.
-
- As far as the crippleware goes, I will foten install a number of
- packages, and then not have time to play with them before they expire. I
- feel no rancor, but I usually do not buy the product if it did not
- demonstrate its worth to me in whatever time I ended up having to use it
- in. I did recently purchase QC, a bug finder, that has such a demo
- version, after trying it once before on hearing that they had a new
- version. This seemed to justify getting a new demo serial number, and
- this time, it demonstrated its worth. Crippleware and timeware are not
- always a bar to payment, but they can be.
-
- Scott
- --
- Scott Ellsworth fuz@deltanet.com
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